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Rabbanim issue letter- NO Guaranteed segula

Rav Avrohom Schorr, rabbi Moshe tuvia Lieff and Rabbi Yisroel Reisman issue letter in this weeks issue of FJJ on inserts and ads in frum papers and magazines promising yeshuos shidduchim and refuos. Despite the letter these ads are posted in all heimish and frum newspapers and magazines.
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http://kallahmagazine.blogspot.com/2008/04/bye-bye-birdie-hello-promises.html

Comments

Orthonomics said…
I believe you and I have been screaming this scream for 7 years. What has changed?
Ariella said…
I don't know why they only said something now. Perhaps for the past seven years they thought they can just ignore it. Perhaps there have been too many complaints from people who gave to these organizations and didn't get their wishes for the rabbinic authorities to continue ignoring it.
Laurie said…
I also get upset when I see these type of ads promising all sorts of great things if you'll only do the segula (never mind paying for it).

But Judaism does have all sorts of segulas. How many of us give tzdekkah to R' Meir Ba'al HaNes when we loose something, or say specific tefillot at specific times, or...well, if we're talking about shidduchim, I live 10 minutes from Amuka!

So are there NO segulas? Or just non-paying segulas? Don't different groups give donations to their rabbis or rebbes after they get a bracha? How is one different from the other?

T.P.V said…
http://thepartialview.blogspot.com/2013/01/blame-messenger-frum-papers-need-to.html
Ariella said…
Laurie, I don't really go in for any of those. See Rav Aviner for answers like this one http://www.ravaviner.com/2012/12/shut-sms-190.html:
Segulah against Traffic Accidents

Q: Is there a Segulah against traffic accidents?

A: Driving carefully and performing kindness to those who need a ride (And the Belzer Rebbe – Ha-Rav Aharon Rokeach – also gave the Segulah that if one follows the traffic laws with the strictures of the 10 Commandments, and also gives rides to those who need them, in the merit of these kindnesses which he does on the road, he will be saved from any bad occurrence. Shut Shevet Ha-Kehati 5:241).
I'll link to a longer, older piece from him in another post.
Ariella said…
TPV: As for blaming the messenger, well, I never would have run an ad like that in my publication. But as the comments there say, the papers exist to make money, as do these organizations that make promises about segulas.
chaim b. said…
>>>How is one different from the other?

Kabbalah from an adam gadol vs. not.

If you are a real misnaged you just follow halacha and that's all you need. I can't imagine the Brisker Rav, for example, giving credence to any of the segulos you mention. It's only because the chassidic/mystical worldview has become so popularized that it's even an issue.
Anonymous said…
Here is the main difference and i would like to hear the feedback from other readers. The issue with this past ad campaign is the fact that there were "promises" that guaranteed to work. Organizations like Kupat Hair have been doing the pray for you thing and gedolei hador such as Rav Chaim , Rav Steinman agree with it. However, all they promise to do is daven, no guarantees. This Yeshuos B'Amuka was an aggressive , disgusting marketing ploy that somehow made it seem that you WILL get married if you buy this set. PS i know rav yechiel abuchatzeira personally and he was scammed as well. He never does things al pi kabbalah or writes kameiyos etc. He certainly does not promise anything - he was duped and they messed up his name as well
Ariella said…
I still prefer to give my tzedaka to organizations that don't even make guarantees by implication and who have a good report card on Charity Navigator, like Yad Eliezer. Kupat Hair has a much lower score because it is much less transparent about its operations.

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