The mothers' active role in Jewish weddings and a query

For my NY Jewish Bridal Examiner page, I am planning to go through some of the aspects of the traditional Jewish wedding. There are people who struggle to reform the ceremony within a nominally Orthodox setting by suggesting various additions to give women more publicly active roles at the wedding. But, the way I see it, women were granted more activity in the Jewish wedding than in the traditional nonJewish counterpart. Think about the fact that usually both the bride and groom are equally escorted by both their parents in contrast to the bride only being escorted by her father -- who give her in marriage. Another thing the mothers get to do is break the plate for the Tnaim. I'm wondering why that falls to the mothers rather than the fathers. Anyone know?

Comments

Chaim B. said…
I don't have an answer, but I would like to strengthen the question. If you assume that the breaking of the plate plays some role in finalizing the kinyan (see Aruch haShulchan E.H. 50:26), then shouldn't it be the fathers breaking the plate, as they are ultimately responsible for the financial penalties of breaking the tna'im?

Interesting that there seems to be a custom of breaking plates in other cultures as well (google search).
Orthonomics said…
Additionally, I believe that non-Jewish parents do not stand to accompany the bride and groom, but take a seat for the ceremony.

I don't have an answer to your question, but it is a good one.
http://www.mygreektravels.com/2009/01/15/breaking-the-plate-a-greek-tradition.html

http://www.kevinandjana.com/uk/Breaking-a-plate---Rozbijanie-taniera.html

Hmmmm..... sounds like just one of those fun things that are shared by many different types, and to which great portent is attributed afterward.
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Ariella's blog said…
It's ok by me, though if I were truly frum I would maybe find reason to object ;-).
Sorry for messing up your comment section. I saw a nice video with some Sardinian women breaking plates at a wedding, and I posted it on my blog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcOuR8h7Zhk

Drop me a line and I'll remove it.
Ariella's blog said…
Someone emailed me as follows: I believe the answer to your question is found in Rabbi Riesmans new book Pathway to the prophets in the section “Imponderables” Hatzlacha

But he did not say what the book says. Anyone have it? Otherwise I may have to browse at the seforim store.
Ariella's blog said…
With the only lead I got, I walked over to Z Berman and looked for
Pathways of the Prophets: A Treasury of Torah Thought and Law; Looking at Ourselves Through the Lens of the Prophets by Rabbi Yisroel Reisman published by Artscroll. The book does include a section on "Imponderables" with a subsection of Imponderables related to Chasunas. Therein was the same query I had.

Rabbi Reisman concedes that he could not find a source for the minhag of mothers, specifically, breaking the plate. He offers a possibl explanation as follows: the tanaim undertake a financial obligation. As the fathers of the chasson and kallah each have a prior financial obligation to their wives' kesubos, the wives participation indicates their willingness to allow this new financial agreement.
Devorah said…
Maybe its to warn both the bride and groom that if either one of them changes their minds before the wedding, they'll have to deal with the mothers - who demonstrate their power to successfully lead their child to the chuppah by smashing the plate. Don't mess with the Jewish mamas now!

I really have no idea, but now that you've asked, I'm determined to find out.
Ariella's blog said…
As I said in the comment above, even Rabbi Reisman could not find a source and so offered his own guess. I offer my own perspective on this here: http://www.examiner.com/x-18522-NY-Jewish-Bridal-Examiner~y2009m10d21-Aspects-of-the-Jewish-wedding--greeting-the-bride-and-groom-separately
From: http://nasgem.rpi.edu/files/1466

As Kaplan (1983) explains:
The reason for breaking the dish is to show that we mourn for Jerusalem and other martyred
Jews even at the height of our joy. A china dish is broken to show that, just as a china plate can
never be fully repaired, a broken engagement is an irreparable breach. Even if the bride and
groom are later reconciled, the breaking of the formal Tanaim contract is considered very
reprehensible. (p. 28)
Ariella's blog said…
I know that, oh great leader. My query was not why do we break a plate for the Tanaim but WHY DO THE MOTHERS do it?
Are you kidding? Do you know how much trouble the fathers would get into? First of all, why did we pick that plate? Didn't we know that was the good china? And the mess! Always with the mess and on this day of all days!

Better to just let the mothers do it and lie low.

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